Another really well written piece of prose from the inestimable YuenHoe, though I find the idea of life’s hanging carrots a little disturbing
Lol so basically, I’m much more balanced nowadays and have gone back to debating full-time. In part, that’s the reason why my comments sound so weird… constant debating and international relations theory have sculpted my writing into something significantly different from what I usually write.
But that being said, let me briefly address some of the questions Jason brings up. I guess on this point, Jason and I have always differed.
Here’s the point of crystallization: Jason believes that fundamentally, our desires and needs are socially imposed constructs. Society forces us to believe that these things are essential and necessary to life, such that when we don’t achieve them, it directly attacks the only thing that, in principle, is truly inherent to us: Our sense of identity and worth. Therefore, Jason advocates disconnecting identity and worth from social constructs (i.e. academic success and Cambridge) and instead connecting them to inherent constructs, namely concepts that gain meaning solely by our own imputation. These would involve “successes” that simply can’t be defined by other people, for example personal pleasure in breathing fresh air on a beautiful NUS morning. Who can tell you that you’re supposed to be breathing fresher air, or you’re supposed to be breathing it more deeply in order to gain more pleasure? Inherent constructs are by definition, non-comparative – no one can tell you that you should be doing more or less of it.
From my point of view, I wish this was so. I wish I could attach my identity and worth to inherent constructs. Here’s the thing though: While I do agree with Jason that all these things are social constructs, I also believe that it’s impossible to escape from these constructs under normal conditions. Society plays a dual role in this – It creates the constructs and FURTHER creates an imperative to abide by these constructs. To put it simply: Not only are we told that our self-worth is based on how successful we are by society’s standards, we are ALSO conditioned to believe that this is the only measure of self-worth, and no other measure works.
This conditioning isn’t explicit, but implicit. By constantly reinforcing the idea that education leads to jobs and jobs lead to security, society plays off another fundamental need of most humans – security, and link that to the social constructs it creates. So at the point where we actually want to be secure in the future, conditioning kicks in to tell us that no matter what we think about the whole situation, the only sure way to satisfy this security necessity is to abide by all of society’s rules and expectations. Because security is something that can only be conferred by society. If we could create our own land and house, make our own food and spontaneously generate a life-partner, security would perhaps be less society-dependent. But since we can’t, we have to work within the boundaries imposed by it.
Then the question now becomes: Why do we have the presence of actual people like Jason, who by and large, do seem to have broken out of the cycle?
1) Minimum level of assurance.
While recognizing that we have security as our priority, different people have different standards of what it means to assure that security. Society never tells us exactly how much is required for that assurance of security. They don’t delineate and tell us that a 3.85 GPA, 5 activities and 4 prof recommendations will guarantee an 80% chance of a job totalling more than $80,000 each year til 2015. Success is not a science. So we each create our own individual yardsticks of what we need to achieve and judge each of our actions based on that yardstick we create. Even if we do realize that the yardstick we create is unrealistic, it’s difficult to dramatically change it because the uncertainty that you NEVER KNOW whether anything else would be more successful, given that security only comes after its too late to change anything. So the inherent gauge we have within us that measures our own minimum level of assurance is a determinant.
2) Socio-inherent constructs
Some inherent constructs are socially dependent. For example, I require many people whom I feel very comfortable with, to hang around with me exclusively, before I feel satisfied. This desire to fulfil emotional need has no bearing on my security. But it IS something which is socially dependent, and therefore cannot be achieved through the actions of a single actor. Dependency on society seems to be proportional to level of disappointment, because society is definitionally quixotic. It will never always provide for everything you want or desire. Similarly, a desire for example, to play an instrument professionally, is in turn an SI construct which requires society to acknowledge talent and confer the opportunities to realize that goal. The more of these goals a person possesses, the less easy it is for contentment.
If you made it all the way to the end of this long and verbose script, congratulations. A shoutout to Jason: Thanks for the well-wishes, I won’t get addicted. But beyond that, I wanted to tell you that I’ve realized my own passion for debating and I have to admit, that it feels really good to dedicate your entire being to something just for the love of doing it. But sadly, again its an SI construct: Good debating is defined by other people, in relation to how good they are. Lol nothing is easy in life.
Holy! I’m flattered, lol. I must confess, however that I haven’t exactly ‘broken out of the cycle’, as you put it – probably no one can, not perfectly anyway. If nothing else I still feel that twinge of bitterness at the line “breathing fresh air on a beautiful *NUS* morning” T.T
Yknow I really wish I could write like that (SI construct?) – to be able to express ideas in concise but fluently lucid prose. I realised that after leaving debate way behind after secondary school my ability to argue has basically been going steadily downhill
Maybe I’ll write a reply post to yours as practice
And btw, do me the favour of updating my poor link yo! My blog ain’t silvery black no more and its no longer on netfirms. Thx ^^
Ah, finding time to drop by here is always worth it.
Back to the post it is an interesting read. But in any case, without going into psychology and social cognition I would side with you on this one Ben.
Firstly, our cognitive processes usually ultilises some external event to assess our capabilities in the first place (provided that social factors like the need to impress is absent).
So essentially what I’m saying is that although not all our needs and carnal desires are innate, but the end choices we make are ultimately judged and modified according to the input we receive from society. In any case, as cliched as it is, just listen to yourself.
As usual, i duwan tok too much, hehe, i’m the lesser being among giants! And that makes me a bit confused sometimes of whether to choose jason’s way of thinking or my own’s (quite relatively similar to almost 99% with ben)… hehe. Anyways, good luck and get ur happiness in life, for i can imagine how happy it would be to be lucky, in life… Ohya, thx ben also, coz if he din write about jason’s blog, i wun check it out also liao, hehe, and i’m actually barely surviving till the end of the post, try to keep it short hehe…
… yep, I still stalk your journal ^^
And… interesting post. I do agree that societal constructs occasionally make us feel obligated to do things that don’t make us happy, but neither do I think trying to follow inherent constructs is the answer. Because are there really things that are truly inherent? And how do you know when something is really inherent rather than something conditioned through society. After all, for all you know, “personal pleasure in breathing fresh air on a beautiful NUS morning” could be something programmed into us by the more Zen side of society that tells us that we ought to go out and breathe the fresh air as often as possible because it makes us feel better. If “Brave New World” is to be believed, tell someone something often enough, and that person will really, truly um, believe it, much as though they had thought it themselves. And even if you could find some way to differentiate between societal constructs and inherent thingywossnames, how do you keep the conditioned beliefs from overriding inherent ones? In the end, does it really matter? Because if, say, action A is very deeply ingrained into you, you’d be happy doing it anyway, right? And conversely, if action B is something that very many people like, but you’d been conditioned through some random unknown childhood experience not to get much satisfaction from it, then you wouldn’t.
I guess my belief is not that we have some inner inherent self with multiple layers obscuring everything like a canvas with paint on top, but rather some weird kind of cocktail with ingredients that somehow manage to come and go, and in different quantities too, but that all still mixes to form exactly one drink, and the mixture that is there at the point in time is what I am. So what is important and makes me really happy at one point could greatly differ from what makes me really happy at another, depending on what experiences have affected me and are and will affect me. Sure, I do things imposed by society sometimes (for example, study), but a great deal of the time, if I really think about it, it’s all to achieve something that I want (for example, to achieve high enough qualifications that I will not be stuck as a clerk for the rest of my life because I will very likely be bored to death, and to not disappoint my parents because I like my parents a lot). And while I might, at some point in the future, take immense pleasure from walking out and breathing fresh air, right now, I derive far more pleasure from holing myself up in a cafe with a good fantasy novel, just as you take great pleasure from debating (which is measurable, by the way, so I don’t think. “successes that simply can’t be defined by other people” makes a good yardstick). As for goals being far more difficult to achieve when they’re dependent on society, well, yeah, but I guess we just have to live with it. Life would be a great deal easier if what made us happy were things that depended solely on ourselves and our beliefs, but personally, given how I am right now, it’s just not in me, so there’s no point trying to force it. Maybe in the future some life-changing experience will prompt me to become a Buddhist nun. Then we’ll see (now that I think about it, it does sound a lot like the Buddhist idea of how to achieve enlightenment, innit?).
So I guess to me, in the end “breaking out of the cycle” isn’t really that far off, and is just a matter of examining my priorities and why I have those priorities. Then again, it also has the effect of seriously depressing me on occasion, because then I realise that a lot of the shit I have to put up with is mostly my own fault, since most of it is just opportunity cost for what I just refuse to give up.
… And yes, on reflection, I do realise that what I’ve just typed out is borderline incoherent and has probably both entirely missed the point of the post and deviated from the point I was trying to make. Um. I’m sleepy? Right. I shall return to lurking >.>
Oh, my god. I did not mean to spam you like that. Sorry >.
lol no problem… hows life going?
just to address a few things briefly then
firstly, some inherent constructs may indeed be socially imposed, based on society’s notion of what our lives should revolve around. AJ’s insistence that charity should please us, and the increasing trend of “going” back to nature that’s been developing since the turn of the 20th century, are all examples.
but the key defining factor should be inherent constructs dont have a standard of comparison that social constructs have, which is in truth what generates unhappiness and inadequacy anyway. few people are going to say: you should be getting more happiness out of playing the piano in the depths of night/ you are not reading that book hard enough in the cafe, and therefore you are not “succeeding” enough, in the same way they can do that about studies, or sports etc.
which leads me to my second point: things like sports, or debate. true, we cand erive pleasure from doing it alone. but also recognize, that for those who are serious about it, our success and happiness with what we do must necessarily take into account how we compare with other people. would i still be happy debating if i were the lousiest debater in the world?
at the point where happiness is tied to success, and success is tied to relative abilities, it becomes socio-inherent.
jc2 this year? everything going well? aj as gray as always?
a really good piece.
u mention about the conditions society imposes, that it constructs itself in a certain manner and foces others to work around the construction of it. but i think the merits of the way it constructs itself is the issue that requires greater attention, for if the construct is flawed then naturally the work that it forces out of people will inherently be flawed as well. also there will always be conflicting interests. an ideal construct would remove all such conflicts, but since that is not possible then we need to find a way to reconstruct or renovate society such that it can be more inclusive, thus removing any such concerns u’ve raised.
as for jason’s proposition that identity and worth be removed from society created constructs, i think its not possible. its interwoven and a reason behind the construct in the first place. consider a society where people don’t chase dreams of riches and glory, but one that emphasises say, a happy life and perhaps prioritizes family, doesnt matter if the stomach is empty (say an alien race just keeps coming over and giving u food every week) there’s the catch: there’ll still be an element of chasing a goal there, but only its a different goal. what of the man who fails to attain what he perceives as happiness, or what about the man who has a broken home? he’ll have no sense of identity and worth within his society either. Its not the problem of the construction but rather of the individual state of mind, and that’s not what society can always help with.
enough from me, constitutional law calls. take care ben
“…thus removing any such concerns u’ve raised.”
my bad, this statement must surely be wrong…i meant minimizing the occurence of the concerns raised.
Ah, now I get it. And yep, it’s probably impossible to completely separate happiness from society, simply because it’s unfeasible to centre our lives only around things that are completely immeasurable (like breathing fresh air). Instead, too much of what makes us happy makes us happy in part because we know we do it well, and we can’t help but compare ourselves with others before we know what ‘well’ is. In this case, the ease in achieving happiness would depend on our personal definitions of ‘well’, I guess. Some people define ‘well’ as ‘the top’, I define ‘well’ as ‘better than most yet not requiring an incredible amount of effort to get there’, in most cases, anyway. As for whether this definition of ‘well’ is ingrained in us by society or is just a personal thing, I don’t know, although I’d be happy about doing well regardless of whether other people knew about it. If it’s the latter though, it’s also depressing, because then it’s not really society’s fault, but our own for having such high expectations for ourselves.
Anyway, yep, JC2 this year, and everything’s ok, I guess, especially now that they’ve finally let me drop math, joyeous day. AJ, presumably in an attempt to not seem grey (hee), has had itself repainted green. They have also hung these huge round plastic orange blow-up owls and somewhat smaller black ravens made of cardboard all around the first floor, a move that has completely baffled all of us. That aside, being a full arts student and hence not really the school’s focus means that they mostly leave us alone, so it’s really not that bad, plus, arts teachers are funky. I will admit though, that AJ’s overwhelming need to ’stretch’ its students (yes, even among some of the arts teachers) is beginning to annoy me quite a bit, because a) scrawling comments like “you’re intelligent, you should be able to do better than this” is an assumption that makes me want to hit things, especially since I’ve always been sucking at this particular subject and still do, and it’s not for a lack of trying, and b) even at subjects I do well in, people who try to ’stretch’ me make me very very unhappy, because I see no need to ’stretch’, especially not on other people’s demands, and if I genuinely like something, I will bloody ’stretch’ in my own good time and way, thanks >.> Over in debates, I kinda… sucked really badly at JCDCs, because I somehow crashed in my second round, probably because of my pathetic lack of mental stamina. The first round was fun though, even though we still lost to ACJC. Also, we attended SRJC debates, and were subjected to adjudicators who were downright incompetent incompetents of incompetency who misunderstood a quarter of our speeches, completely missed another quarter, and awarded it to the other team even though they had one speaker who went one minute over time, another three minutes under time, and a case full of holes. Eh. Also, we have a girl from Crescent girls’ school who actually did a Direct School Admission to AJ through debates, and who delivers her speeches with a more practiced air than we do, lol. Aside from her though, we are seeing few promising people, or rather, we did have one, but he jumped over to stageworks.
… I makes it all sound so cheery, don’t I ^^
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